tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post1860449195309583467..comments2023-10-25T07:19:08.019-05:00Comments on The Nosy Gamer: Super Belts: A View From A Small FishNoizyGamerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-24830683605315104582014-10-31T17:30:05.202-05:002014-10-31T17:30:05.202-05:00Gotta second the "I hate this" crowd. As...Gotta second the "I hate this" crowd. As someone who mines all the time in wormholes, I can't begin to imagine the sheer terror this would cause every single time someone jumped into the system. All the miners would scatter, not wanting to take the chance that they would be the one caught. <br /><br />Mining is already too dangerous. We have absolutely no warning in wormholes anymore against cloakers, and putting all the ore in one place would make it soooooo much easier on the players that already have huge advantages against miners.Forgotten Heathennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-10484332221236220232014-10-24T07:31:19.669-05:002014-10-24T07:31:19.669-05:00How about going the exact opposite way? Mini belt...How about going the exact opposite way? Mini belts scattered across the system that need to be scanned down. Not worth much but relatively safe. The rest of the Ore in anomalies. <br /><br /><br />I never got the concept of fixed belts that respawn exactly after downtime. Makes not sense to me,Splatushttp://splatus.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-52794833687170705292014-10-24T02:41:13.966-05:002014-10-24T02:41:13.966-05:00Giving players a place where they could meet in sp...Giving players a place where they could meet in space is a nice idea, indeed. For now a single players or small groups can sneak into nullsec and "steal" ore until locals show up. With single belts per system it would be a lot harder to "ninja mine". That is a small niche - but an exciting one! You already encounter some ratters warping from belt to belt looking for Mordus spawns in lowsec or officer spawns in nullsec. That's when you have to leave. <br />While many player are not motivated to check 8+ belts on their roam from system A to system B they will always check that single belt. Like using a bouncing bookmark to avoid bubbles. You won't lose much time but can easyly find a miner, a rat with sec-tags, a Mordus spawn... always worth a try! It would make rat-farming a lot easyer. Next step would be to remove belt spawns and move them to POCOs. But talking about POCOs, why not introduce a super-planet with a super-POCO to force people to meet in space?<br />Don't want to be too negative, a single ore grid would be nice to have in highsec, but lowsec mining is already barely existent and should be buffed.Samsara Toldyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-10164240988258153552014-10-23T18:41:32.769-05:002014-10-23T18:41:32.769-05:00Multiple belts scattered out like you suggest woul...Multiple belts scattered out like you suggest would be cool. But that just might exceed CCP's grasp. Unless they have something like that in mind for Seagull-space, which is why Rise is mentioning the possibility now.NoizyGamerhttp://nosygamer.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-37124097774305580712014-10-23T17:39:53.770-05:002014-10-23T17:39:53.770-05:00And we will!!! But, what did you think of my ideas...And we will!!! But, what did you think of my ideas? Does my reach exceed CCPs grasp??TurAmarthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-966285421741343742014-10-23T17:33:12.772-05:002014-10-23T17:33:12.772-05:00The complaint, basically, is: do we really need to...The complaint, basically, is: do we really need to make mining more dangerous? Perhaps the cooperative game play will work in high sec, but in low sec mining would get really dangerous. Which would be a pity since CCP is introducing the Higgs Anchor which should make mining safer. Even in high sec, though, combining everyone into one giant belt would just make the gankers jobs easier. They wouldn't have to search as hard for victims.NoizyGamerhttp://nosygamer.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-840699964450819732014-10-23T17:27:19.056-05:002014-10-23T17:27:19.056-05:00I've ducked into a wormhole to mine arkonor a ...I've ducked into a wormhole to mine arkonor a few times in my Procurer. You can keep your sleepers :)NoizyGamerhttp://nosygamer.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-28288022897726728222014-10-23T16:45:31.598-05:002014-10-23T16:45:31.598-05:00This is an old idea, it was one of the lost exodus...This is an old idea, it was one of the lost exodus features. It was called 'System wide asteroid fields' then and like comet mining was cutDaReapernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-13645010256158534912014-10-23T13:09:20.529-05:002014-10-23T13:09:20.529-05:00Actually, Sol system has the big belt between Mars...Actually, Sol system has the big belt between Mars/Jupiter, the Kuiper Belt, and the Oort Cloud (let's not consider that a proper belt for sake of argument). There is also a minor belt between Venus/Earth that most people don't know about. There are two fair-sized belts in the Trojan areas of Jupiter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_belt There's also the Centaurs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centaur_(minor_planet). There might be more. I'd read there were a few between Earth/Venus, too.Astronomicusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-90807497402319760092014-10-23T12:36:07.839-05:002014-10-23T12:36:07.839-05:00They already did this in nullsec with the ore anom...They already did this in nullsec with the ore anomalies. Most miners would never mine in the standard belts except to raise the industry index enough to spawn the first anomaly. That plus interceptors is what drove me from null mining. It made it super easy for roaming gangs to warp right into a mining op without needing to scan. At least null had intel networks. I couldn't imagine trying that in lowsec.Donald Clarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-53752094515002608092014-10-23T12:12:24.735-05:002014-10-23T12:12:24.735-05:00CCP Rise's view--which I fully share--is that ...CCP Rise's view--which I fully share--is that he wants more ways for people to come across each other in space. Even if you don't like this proposal, it seems it would benefit a larger number of players. Would you be happy, instead, if there were some small belts left, as well as a combination of larger belts? I think Rise mentioned that in the larger belts there would be potential team work or cooperative goals. I'm also not sure *what* the basis for your complaint actually is. Ice belts are a type of what Rise is talking about--large numbers of people gather at these single spots in solar system. If there were more types of game play like that, and added content where people could cooperate etc., wouldn't that be a good thing?PB Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-22729450082356250772014-10-23T11:27:46.681-05:002014-10-23T11:27:46.681-05:00I need more information on this topic, if the belt...I need more information on this topic, if the belt was so large that it ended being on several grids that would be awesome, as a person has to probe you out or travel the entire belt to find you, using the D Scanner to figure which way up the belt to travel.Chealse Loongnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-38344262006751779162014-10-23T10:38:59.331-05:002014-10-23T10:38:59.331-05:00CCP could probably get away with this if they made...CCP could probably get away with this if they made solo mining (no alts whatsoever) more interesting mechanically and somewhat more profitable. But those things aren't on the radar.Messiah Complexnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-51241430464068222522014-10-23T10:27:02.125-05:002014-10-23T10:27:02.125-05:00Well... I'm not a miner, or at least I dunt m...Well... I'm not a miner, or at least I dunt mine in Empire anyway, moar A,B,Cs out in Anoikis (wanna be skeered mining? try mining inna hole). But IMHO the little 2 and 3 degree arcs of rocks that have NO connection to any kind of orbital planetary mechanics (reality) in any way have always bothered the hell outta me... talk about an immersion breaker.<br /><br /><br />But how about 'actual belts'... rings of rocks AROUND a system... mebbe 2 or 4 or even 8 spaced 'between' the planets... Some really thin areas with little clumps of rocks in some places and some really really thick sections in others parts of the ring... with a full mix of ice and ores depending on security.<br /><br /><br />Mebbe have the ice belts be in the rings around gas giants... and due to the huge magnetic field, scans and probes accuracy is degraded... <br /><br /><br /><br />Then it would be moar like RL... with the little fish using the sheer size of the belts and their 'weather like' effects to hide in... Again, mebbe make it so that in the large denser sections the density of the rocks messes with ships and probe scans, so that the big fish can only get rough general direction, but not a fix on a ship... so they'd have to come out and play hide n seek... giving a little fish with his head in the game enough warning to find a 'cave' to dock up in.<br /><br /><br />Think about the real world and ask how would it work here? Seriously, do you think it will be easy to find a ship in our real world Asteroid belt? I don't... and all the most pessimistic predictions say that we would not be able to mine out (deplete) Sol's AB in a million years... So like planets the belt would never be used up... easy enough to fake that ingame, just have more rocks spawn into different areas over DT... <br /><br /><br />Just one wormhole miners musings... =]TurAmarthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-36935381658691229662014-10-23T10:01:42.300-05:002014-10-23T10:01:42.300-05:00I agree super belts seem like a horrible idea. Th...I agree super belts seem like a horrible idea. There are a lot of places in NS, and LS where I can mine without trouble as the system has 6+ belts. It's also bad for causal ratting too. It's bad enough the mining sites are now 100%ers, but moving all the ore to a single belt basically makes you easy meat to a inty scout. He could go from gate to belt before you have time to react.Surlocnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-43257251755991279632014-10-23T09:43:11.346-05:002014-10-23T09:43:11.346-05:00Yeah, the super belt idea doesn't seem like a ...Yeah, the super belt idea doesn't seem like a great idea unless you are a multi-boxing miner who just wants to vacuum up ore a little more quickly. They are also more likely to simply make miners easier to find if you are a ganker, ala the old giant ice belts of yore. Think harder CCP.Wilhelm Arcturushttp://tagn.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com