tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post3695553026301221926..comments2023-10-25T07:19:08.019-05:00Comments on The Nosy Gamer: CCP's War On Bots: CCP Seagull Connecting The DotsNoizyGamerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-83806574319884405932013-01-19T04:07:38.717-06:002013-01-19T04:07:38.717-06:00And are the two computers also on a different inte...And are the two computers also on a different internet connection?Mikk36https://www.blogger.com/profile/06553287808852514242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-31452507945169965482013-01-17T21:43:46.202-06:002013-01-17T21:43:46.202-06:00Your series on the war on bots and the recent news...Your series on the war on bots and the recent news about Lance Armstrong and the drug use in sports got me to thinking of the obvious similarities between the two. Especially the perception, and human nature to "do that which is obviously wrong" regardless of the eventual consequences due to lax enforcement or other perceptions of being able to get away with it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17677374448241536471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-65920691861825951102013-01-17T19:55:53.308-06:002013-01-17T19:55:53.308-06:00True. I use the same email address for all my acc...True. I use the same email address for all my accounts but I have 2 different credit cards and each of my computers has a different IP address. My two main accounts are on two different computers (1 laptop & 1 desktop) and I don't swap computers. So the email address is the only link between the two.NoizyGamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-29491022349925097192013-01-17T19:52:26.280-06:002013-01-17T19:52:26.280-06:00There is definitely system profiling going on. In...There is definitely system profiling going on. In fact I've read instructions on how to spoof the profiling on the botting forums and even an application even exists designed to alter one of the variables that the final hash is based on. In other words, the data CCP has isn't 100% reliable on that front.<br /><br />Also, if you look at my three accounts, if you depend on the fingerprinting I will appear as two different people because I keep my two main accounts on separate computers due to concerns with my overview settings. At the very least you could only use the hash number as an indicator that would need to be combined with other data that is probably in databases in different systems. That is why what CCP Seagull is proposing is going to be a major undertaking.<br /><br />So you're right, CCP could do it. In fact, it sounds like CCP Seagull intends to do it. CCP just never thought it was important enough to do in the past so they didn't set up their systems in order to make doing it easy. But now that CCP management has decided there is a business reason you'll get your answers.NoizyGamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-10253912882776894482013-01-17T19:30:14.821-06:002013-01-17T19:30:14.821-06:00Another good point. Those laws definitely inhibit...Another good point. Those laws definitely inhibit the "naming and shaming" that a lot of players want Sreegs to do with botters. But CCP is already doing those kinds of connections when tracking down bot and ISK selling rings.NoizyGamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-14235898028845191862013-01-17T19:25:11.728-06:002013-01-17T19:25:11.728-06:00Good point about the names. But what if it is 5 d...Good point about the names. But what if it is 5 different accounts within 15 minutes? And Team Security does have some code embedded that does some digital fingerprinting. NoizyGamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-74987769924221493302013-01-17T13:38:32.998-06:002013-01-17T13:38:32.998-06:00What are the ramifications of various privacy laws...What are the ramifications of various privacy laws around the world? Some countries have very stringent laws about how RL identities and accounts can be linked and what information can be shared even within the same company. Does anyone have any thoughts on that issue?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07326933418820669302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-60852590669213590532013-01-17T12:52:54.324-06:002013-01-17T12:52:54.324-06:00I very much link all of my accounts to one email a...I very much link all of my accounts to one email address and use the same irl name on them. I do this for consistency. If anything ever looks weird I can point to all of my accounts and my habit of being clear and repetitive in who I am.Sugar Kylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15437978687639772023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-82027234295874302772013-01-17T10:57:11.025-06:002013-01-17T10:57:11.025-06:00Maybe, and this might be a very stupid thought, ma...Maybe, and this might be a very stupid thought, maybe they do not want to share this information as it would indicate a much lower user base than one expect. Maybe the recently announced 450K players are only 100K real people with multiple accounts. I have 5 and I am not even a veteran. Just a thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-759600780057665842013-01-17T10:12:30.318-06:002013-01-17T10:12:30.318-06:00I asked specifically as I wanted to know the reaso...I asked specifically as I wanted to know the reason/excuse that CCP have been unable to provide any decent data to the CSM or players on what individual people do in-game.<br /><br />What we need to know, really, is what percentage of the player-base (the actual people) are involved in each activity - how many do missions in hisec, how many pirate in low, how many are involved in Sov warfare, etc. The problem is, simply counting the number of *characters* in a location doesn't tell you anything.<br /><br />As a simplified example, the guy who considers himself a 'nullsec player', who has hauling and mission alts in hisec on different accounts, so if you fail to make the proper link, he looks to be mainly a 'hisec player'.<br /><br />It's actually quite simple, and I'm quite certain CCP *could* do it if they wanted, as sone of the botting posts have suggested there is system profiling going on, which means they would have the data.Kelduum Revaanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12914015525156289380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-59698604026266494992013-01-17T09:35:03.561-06:002013-01-17T09:35:03.561-06:00If I am not mistaken there may easily be character...If I am not mistaken there may easily be characters with sequential names with differing account information simply because of prompting by the game when creating characters. When you put in a name already in use you can still use the name by adding a number to the end. How many pilots create a character and find that CptKirk is already taken and add numbers to the end? Trying to sort between bot users and non-bot users who simply aren't creative in their names could be a difficult task. I suspect that names are used by CCP but only as a screening/search technique. Remember CCP could easily imbed code in the client looking to log MAC address etc. --- far better identifiers for catching unsophisticated bot users.Ragellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10285176601838226959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-34048212497900284792013-01-17T09:03:58.567-06:002013-01-17T09:03:58.567-06:00Great thoughts, as always.
I wonder how this link...Great thoughts, as always.<br /><br />I wonder how this linking accounts to actual humans story will happen though. I personally own multiple accounts, not all activated by the same credit card or using the same email adress. With really -nothing- linking two accounts together how can CCP guess it? My bet would be of common employment history mixed with common log on time and IP adress.<br />But as I'm sure I'm not alone, I don't always log on all my accounts, they are not in the same corps, and I may connect through different connections at the same time so my IP adress is different for each account.<br /><br />This is really a mess for CCP to deal with, and I wonder how they will sort it out.Azgarrethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15019302242024129458noreply@blogger.com