tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post7508145727969750929..comments2023-10-25T07:19:08.019-05:00Comments on The Nosy Gamer: Why Change Key Rebroadcasting In EVE Online?NoizyGamerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-53574696838171261102014-12-02T15:58:13.437-06:002014-12-02T15:58:13.437-06:00I think it's more important for them that the ...I think it's more important for them that the consumers have a clear idea of when it starts, than operational consistency. <br /><br />They're banning a very widely practised activity that a lot of people use. That means they need a few months to ensure everyone is heard of it and they need to be _very_ clear about when those months are over. <br /><br />That easily trumps Thursday not being a very good day to start implementing it. You don't want one single person claiming "I didn't know it had started yet" who can be avoided. 1st January is simple. When the new year starts, you stopThomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-24288932591937158732014-12-02T00:48:08.984-06:002014-12-02T00:48:08.984-06:00Lol, calm it kid.
First off, it does make sense,...Lol, calm it kid.<br /><br /><br />First off, it does make sense, even if you want to sit there denying it. The gameplay is simple enough to be replicated and requires too little input to even be classed as gamplay, hence people do its mutliple times over. Not just with Isboxer, but multiboxing in general. Few miners for example remain as a single barge for very long.<br /><br /><br />And yes, that's CCPs fault. Rather than fix their gameplay they are just attacking a playstyle so noobs like you will stop crying.<br /><br /><br />And mate, a tool that has been *explicitly allowed* by CCP for several years is not cheating. Just because you don't like something doesn't make it cheating. Can't accept that? Too bad buddy, get over it.<br /><br /><br />Amusingly, they've only banned one component of isboxer, arguably not even the most important one, so people will still multibox. So CCP have gone out of their way to drop a bunch of subs from a few of the biggest multiboxers and started banning players who don't even use ISBoxer, and what's the result? Nothing. Mutliboxers are still going to mutlibox because the reason they do so (terrible gameplay mechanics that don't scale properly) haven't been addressed. If those gameplay elements took more skill than can be achieved by dumb-repeating keypresses, then mutliboxing would be less appealing in the first place. But no, rather than gameplay improvements apparently what we need is a big ass wormhole with a station in it.Lucas Kellhttp://indecisivenoob.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-43771781243254283122014-12-01T16:58:17.294-06:002014-12-01T16:58:17.294-06:00Not sure how isboxer makes mining any more enjoyab...Not sure how isboxer makes mining any more enjoyable. But ok. All the excuses I hear from you rats are nonsense. They make no sense. It's CCP's fault? Or maybe it's your fault for finally going ape shit with software that is tantamount to cheating.Harrinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-1051715010121349482014-12-01T16:17:20.390-06:002014-12-01T16:17:20.390-06:00Why all the blustering? Because it's a pointl...Why all the blustering? Because it's a pointless change meant to attack a single playstyle rather than fixing game mechanics so they aren't terrible in the first place. If mining wasn't boring as sin and only requiring two clicks every 10 minutes, then broadcasting would be decreased naturally. Instead they want to swing the ban hammer around, with nobody, not even CCP, able to answer exactly what it will improve in the game, and put at risk many players who don't use key broadcasting (some of whom have already been banned supposedly for breach the new rule that's not in place yet).<br /><br />To be honest, with the stance CCP is taking towards development lately, being on the outside is starting to look more appealing every day. Changes just so a vocal minority of carebears stop crying when someone steals "their" ice should not be what CCP are focusing on.Lucas Kellhttp://indecisivenoob.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-31744660546206617142014-12-01T15:04:38.797-06:002014-12-01T15:04:38.797-06:00Oh, yes you do. You don't want to give people ...Oh, yes you do. You don't want to give people the impression that they can get away with stuff or you wind up banning more people in the long run. Besides, Team Security is so small, they basically have to start up an automated process that will start dishing out bans.<br /><br /><br />The one thing that may happen, though, is that they may run their data mining process at downtime every day, so the bans would only happen once a day. So I guess starting to issue bans on that Friday, right before the weekend, might be a good move also.NoizyGamerhttp://nosygamer.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-79654078092070223732014-12-01T14:36:57.225-06:002014-12-01T14:36:57.225-06:00You don't need to start banning people two min...You don't need to start banning people two minutes after the new policy strikes. It's just a policy! They don't <i>have</i> to ban anyone at any given time.<br /><br /><br />Indeed I would imagine they'd want to gather at least a few days worth of data on a particular player before taking action... so, if you know people will be back in the office on Jan 5, set the data a few days earlier.Von Keigainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-60435482623813896672014-12-01T13:33:57.655-06:002014-12-01T13:33:57.655-06:00Looking at this from a strictly operational standp...Looking at this from a strictly operational standpoint, I'd want to institute the change on Monday, 5 January or Tuesday, 6 January, just because I know that everyone would be in the office in case of problems.NoizyGamerhttp://nosygamer.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-60517317080945624412014-12-01T12:28:03.191-06:002014-12-01T12:28:03.191-06:00I don't think there's anything suspicious ...I don't think there's anything suspicious about using Jan 1 for a change to policy with substantial ramifications for some. Jan 1 is a very obvious date. Easy to remember. If the year is 2014, you can multiplex inputs. In 2015 you cannot. In between is that big party and a nasty hangover.<br /><br />PLEX prices have dropped substantially, although there are two confounding effects: the newbie influx from the trailer and the sale that CCP had over the weekend. It will be interesting to see where they go. My money is on back up. <br /><br />That said, I doubt that multiboxed mining is of much value to CCP. Once you have the support structure for a multibox fleet -- the Orca and freighter pilot, basically, and the skills to refine and whatever else is desired -- then you are probably PLEXing. Adding more miners does not cost you anything then. But miners in highsec do not add very much content for other people. CCP is right to cut it off. The choice here is in which sort of content-creators are able to afford PLEX.Von Keigainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-35079804413065417352014-12-01T12:00:18.615-06:002014-12-01T12:00:18.615-06:00"In my mind, I do not believe the ability of ..."In my mind, I do not believe the ability of a group to monopolize content is necessarily a bad thing. If one group can control an area and the resources therein, that drives conflict. But the design of the game requires a group of players to accomplish these goals. Keeping as many players occupied with content is good game design. Input replicators defeat that design goal."<br /><br />Will that change? People are already talking about using VFX and round robin keys to continue multiboxing. The type of player quitting is the small scale mining multiboxer with a basic isboxer setup. The people who used to run incursions and the like will still be able to do so.RapidSmoothienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-77123015482163767182014-12-01T11:11:26.900-06:002014-12-01T11:11:26.900-06:00Well, to be fair, the reason that ISBoxer was list...Well, to be fair, the reason that ISBoxer was listed as doing client modification was that it operates in the EVE client's memory space, not that it performed input broadcasting. That's changing, so instead of being client modification, which warrants a permanent ban for all of a user's accounts on a first offense (which CCP waived), ISBoxer will now be okay to use as long as the input broadcasting feature is turned off.NoizyGamerhttp://nosygamer.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-80537547697044052832014-12-01T10:25:33.223-06:002014-12-01T10:25:33.223-06:00"Like an entry level drug" Exactly.
Th..."Like an entry level drug" Exactly.<br /><br />The game is changing. It will continue to change. Some of that change will affect ships (like the new graphics, or rebalancing efforts), some changes will be new gameplay (WH space), some changes will affect how we interact with the game's data (like visible bookmarks). <br /><br /> Sometimes the changes will affect the EULA.<br /><br />Deal with change.Knug Lidinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-66329799743136801162014-12-01T10:02:37.390-06:002014-12-01T10:02:37.390-06:00Good article Noizy.
A couple things stand out. F...Good article Noizy. <br /><br />A couple things stand out. First, people proudly poking their chests out saying that workarounds are already found and the automated input broadcasting will not affect anything is a sign to me. If this ban changes nothing except for some extra (whatever) - I'm not a program whore user - then why all the blustery crowing like a cock at sunrise?<br /><br />The second thing, why can't people accept no? You're (isboxer users) being told no more auto input. Yet you users just HAVE to have a workaround. You're like little kids who are not taught what NO means. You've grown up being sniveling shirt sleeve nose wipers. I personally hope your workarounds are EULA breaking as well and you find yourselves on the outside banned. <br /><br />Considering the roll CCP is on I'm not sure I'd want to take that chance. Good luck though.Harrinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-61039555867144272402014-12-01T08:29:17.881-06:002014-12-01T08:29:17.881-06:00"Since this language was part of the Third Pa..."Since this language was part of the Third Part Policies going back to <br />the spring of 2013, I'm slightly surprised that anyone would argue that <br />CCP had no problem with players using ISBoxer. But only slightly."<br /><br />Well... in fact CCP allowed players to use input broadcasting in 2010 (original post) and 2013 (edited post), see (Lead)GM Lelouch: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1291641&page=10#274<br /><br />"Lastly, multiboxing is allowed, and programs designed for multiboxing in<br /> mind which allow a player to manually issue the same command to <br />multiple game clients at the same time are allowed."<br /><br />(Senior)GM Karidor made a statement inside the german sub-forum 7 month later where any kind of hardware or software input broadcasting is "verboten"<br />https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3588651#post3588651 and<br />https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3592753#post3592753 (if you need a translation i'll do my best).<br /><br />So even inside CCP there seemed to be some confusion as "pro" and "con" would find an "official statement".<br /><br />I always felt like ISBoxer being something like an "entry level drug"... once you get comfortable with controlling 20 accounts with a single "click" you might as well use a bot to do the single click...Samsara Toldyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-75811040710147014292014-12-01T08:26:42.507-06:002014-12-01T08:26:42.507-06:00Happened to pass through Agal this saturday, waved...Happened to pass through Agal this saturday, waved at many and asked him how many accounts he would have after january first. Fise replied he was looking to expand his number of accounts and already had a work-around going. Let's hope he will be proven wrong.Raziel Walkerhttp://razielwalker.blogspot.nlnoreply@blogger.com