tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post8893739088224149469..comments2023-10-25T07:19:08.019-05:00Comments on The Nosy Gamer: Multi-boxing: So What Is Legal?NoizyGamerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-62259837573049464342013-03-20T20:15:12.798-05:002013-03-20T20:15:12.798-05:00As for CCP Eterne's statement, that is good to...As for CCP Eterne's statement, that is good to hear considering CCP has tacitly allowed the use of ISBoxer for years. If there is going to be that drastic a change of policy, CCP needs to make it perfectly clear to users who wish to remain within the rules.NoizyGamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-40617694177701103912013-03-20T20:02:22.531-05:002013-03-20T20:02:22.531-05:00So you are saying that Inner Space performs no cod...So you are saying that Inner Space performs no code injection in order to do its magic? That's not what my research indicates. If you read the post, you will see that I state that ISBoxer does not alter the appearance of the Eve client. But what I do believe is that Inner Space performs code injection in order to perform the commands that would normally be performed by a mouse-click or keystroke. That has been defined by CCP Sreegs as "client modification". And since Inner Space is what runs ISBoxer...NoizyGamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-33199529688157573072013-03-20T19:59:10.122-05:002013-03-20T19:59:10.122-05:00So you are saying that Kromtor was using ISBoxer a...So you are saying that Kromtor was using ISBoxer and that thread proves it? Did you even visit that link? That thread says nothing about using ISBoxer. All it states is that Kromtor was using syncd mouse clicks/keystrokes, which according to my reasearch could be done in Synergy 1.3 if you altered a configuration file.NoizyGamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-1157345783406916992013-03-20T05:32:31.322-05:002013-03-20T05:32:31.322-05:00Kromtor started using Synergy AFTER getting banned...Kromtor started using Synergy AFTER getting banned, and he did it out of fear of getting banned again. He had 6 PCs, each running 2 at the time. He switched to 15 separate PCs for the wooden dowel rig, and then used Synergy afterward.<br /><br />http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/29236-Just-got-3-day-banned-for-quot-macroing-quot<br /><br />Nice work super-sleuth, maybe stick to other topics for a while.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-26809586767738882712013-03-20T05:16:28.713-05:002013-03-20T05:16:28.713-05:001. Inner Space performs just as much "client ...1. Inner Space performs just as much "client modification" as other gaming overlay software, like X-Fire or Mumble. That is, none. <br /><br />2. CCP Eterne posted this to clear the air<br />https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2750884#post2750884<br />"Our policy on ISBoxer has not changed in a long time. I am not trying to trick you or present you with some sort of intricate sting operation. We are currently applying the same rule we have on ISBoxer as we have for quite a long time."<br /><br /><br />For actually interesting discussion that isn't from a random blogger with an agenda, check out the Reddit AMA (Ask me Anything) from last Friday, on the topic at hand: http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1act9k/i_am_the_creator_of_apparently_controversial/<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-3009347881551930812013-03-20T01:53:08.859-05:002013-03-20T01:53:08.859-05:00They are memory scanning for specific processes do...They are memory scanning for specific processes don't let them tell you other wise. The EULA was written in a way that you can be banned on their discretion for multiboxing.<br /><br />The WHOLE multiboxing discussion was started ages ago. a GM deemed it "ok" long as you are not using to do things AFK that you normally do while sitting at the machine.<br /><br />Those people who cry about multiboxing = dont understand it or can't afford or have the knowledge to set it up. Plain and simple. <br /><br />Muliboxing games like embrace it. This conversation is like discussing digital darkrooms vs conventional ones. As time and technology changes so should "YOU".<br /><br />Here is a small list of game that embrace multi-boxing.<br /><br />Aion<br />Asheron's Call<br />Asheron's Call 2<br />Champions Online<br />Dark Age of Camelot<br />DC Universe<br />Diablo 3<br />Dungeons & Dragons Online<br />EVE Online<br />EverQuest<br />EverQuest 2 <br />Guild Wars<br />Guild Wars 2<br />Lord of the Rings Online<br />Path of Exile<br />Perpetuum<br />PlanetSide 2<br />Realm of the Mad God<br />RIFT<br />Runes of Magic<br />Star Trek Online<br />Star Wars: The Old Republic<br />TERA<br />Torchlight 2<br />Ultima Online<br />Vanguard: Saga of Heroes<br />Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning<br />Wizardry Online<br />World of WarcraftAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-36374591842095705992013-03-19T19:54:24.784-05:002013-03-19T19:54:24.784-05:00ISXEVE is interesting because it has been modified...ISXEVE is interesting because it has been modified so that on autopilot you warp to zero on a gate instead of 15km off. Either that or maybe he modified ISBoxer?NoizyGamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-79880823309238120322013-03-19T15:09:44.288-05:002013-03-19T15:09:44.288-05:00I wonder if he was using ISXEVE as well as ISBoxer...I wonder if he was using ISXEVE as well as ISBoxer. ISXEVE is now being specifically scanned for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-78711390618069248442013-03-19T10:51:04.951-05:002013-03-19T10:51:04.951-05:00I understand why they won't, but really, we ju...I understand why they won't, but really, we just need a hard and fast answer to 'will using isboxer (via innerspace) get my accounts banned?'<br /><br />All this skirting around the bush and referencing EULA lines is typical of a politician that doesn't want to answer a question.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-66321679894010258982013-03-18T22:54:27.704-05:002013-03-18T22:54:27.704-05:00It depends on the software. If you consider KVM s...It depends on the software. If you consider KVM switch software as software that facilitates multi-boxing, then I would say yes. Stuff like ISBoxer? It depends and CCP is not going to spell out what is and is not allowed. You have to interpret the EULA and the ToS.<br /><br />The answer isn't great but that's all I have to go on.NoizyGamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-11631197789138250362013-03-18T19:25:18.281-05:002013-03-18T19:25:18.281-05:00I know you don't need it, because I don't ...I know you don't need it, because I don't need it. I'm asking if CCP saying "we support multiboxing" necessarily translates to "we support third-party software that facilitates multiboxing." I'm not sure that that's a safe assumption to make.<br /><br />I mean, a corpmate just linked <a href="http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16710320" rel="nofollow">this killmail</a>, where 3 RL players took down a titan by running myriad accounts with ISBoxer. That's probably legal under the current interpretations of the EULA and the TOS, but I can see why CCP wouldn't exactly be thrilled by that kind of gameplay. There are more people than that on cruiser KMs.Dersen Loweryhttp://www.structuredamage.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-23576626992872593232013-03-18T19:05:36.124-05:002013-03-18T19:05:36.124-05:00You do not need specialized software to multi-box....You do not need specialized software to multi-box. You really only need one computer that is powerful enough to run multiple clients and then all you have to do is alt-tab. On both occasions I've triple-boxed that's how I handled two of my Eve clients.<br /><br />I mainly use a software KVM switch when dual-boxing because I like to look at both screens. Watching missiles stream in on my Maelstrom from a different perspective is really cool.NoizyGamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-5171192701843519202013-03-18T17:19:54.080-05:002013-03-18T17:19:54.080-05:00I would love to see some clarification on accessib...I would love to see some clarification on accessibility issues. I'm mildly visually impaired myself and I know gamers who have much larger impairments who can't play without support software (or mods on games that support them), some of which might violate the EULA.DJ Thorisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-5743688770550790542013-03-18T13:18:07.763-05:002013-03-18T13:18:07.763-05:00You know what I want to see? A clear and concise d...You know what I want to see? A clear and concise definition of "How the Game is played." which is the basis for the EULA and CoC. CCP please tell us what YOU expect a normal gaming experience to be, and then we will better understand your basis for exceptions and violations of that "user experience"...Turamarth Elrandirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08129383421613323047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-26044721377579921872013-03-18T11:51:07.463-05:002013-03-18T11:51:07.463-05:00Sure, but their 'clarification' is not bas...Sure, but their 'clarification' is not based on DLL injection or a modified client per se. <br /><br />Essentially you now have behaviour that will get you banned, behaviour that won't get you banned, and behaviour that is illegal but wont get you banned for now unless Screegs decides otherwise (on his stated opinion anyone using EVEmon over the last 6 months has been guilty of illegal behaviour).<br /><br />"nor will you try to create or use any third party add-ons, extras or tools for the game." is a statement so vague that it's useless. Anything using the API is a 'third party add-on .. for the game'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-72214479761009110152013-03-18T11:20:15.208-05:002013-03-18T11:20:15.208-05:00Does multiboxing necessarily mean using some kind ...Does multiboxing necessarily mean using some kind of support software? I have been known to launch two EVE clients on the same machine, arrange them so that I can see them both on the same screen, and foreground the one I want to interact with. Other people use two machines at once.<br /><br />In other words, does CCP's endorsement of multiboxing imply any endorsement of software that replicates keyboard and mouse commands, or slices up and rearranges the contents of EVE client windows in another window? I'm not 100% sure of that. Though it would clearly change the way a lot of people play if they did rule that kind of software out.<br />Dersen Loweryhttp://www.structuredamage.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-90074319176698931852013-03-18T10:04:43.226-05:002013-03-18T10:04:43.226-05:00Hello all,
we need an official statement from CCP...Hello all,<br /><br />we need an official statement from CCP if Synergy and SW KVM is allowed. Personally I don't see a problem here. You can also use HW for recording macros via keyboards etc. <br /><br />And what can this help you in EVE? It's a game that needs a lot of logic behind, simple pres F1 to F8 with a single key press it's not an issue.<br /><br />I have a G15 keyboard, and only what I'm using a macro key is that I don't have to type my long password into eve client. :)<br /><br />rgdsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-68299964266826571772013-03-18T09:04:36.641-05:002013-03-18T09:04:36.641-05:00Given that it's riverini he's probably whi...Given that it's riverini he's probably whiteknighting a botter.wartzillahttp://twitter.com/wartzillanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-83781696806280547062013-03-18T08:44:29.241-05:002013-03-18T08:44:29.241-05:00@Knug Lidi - You mean like ArenaNet's policy i...@Knug Lidi - You mean like ArenaNet's policy in GW2? That would definitely make things clearer in terms of enforcement and for users looking at software trying to figure out if it violates the EULA and ToS.NoizyGamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-22466489761111899312013-03-18T07:51:19.148-05:002013-03-18T07:51:19.148-05:00Unless CCP changes its policy and disallows single...Unless CCP changes its policy and disallows single user click amplified to multiple clients.<br /><br />In my most humble opinion, multi-boxing is perfectly fine; however, the use of software to replicate a single player action to multiple clients should not be permitted. <br /><br />A single use of fleet warp does not send the command of fleet warp to each client, rather it has one client through the game, command other clients to warp. <br /><br />A single click to have several ships jump through a gate should not be permitted (in my opinion). <br /><br />Again, this is just my opinion.Knug Lidihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08168621175894976018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-64086765048875755802013-03-18T07:38:09.409-05:002013-03-18T07:38:09.409-05:00If ISBoxer is performing DLL injection then it is ...If ISBoxer is performing DLL injection then it is not arbitrary behavior as that was outlawed before Sreegs was hired.NoizyGamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-29057255229500542542013-03-18T07:10:26.870-05:002013-03-18T07:10:26.870-05:00CCP are creating a grounds for arbitrary behaviour...CCP are creating a grounds for arbitrary behaviour on the part of whoever fulfills Screegs role. Sooner or later this will come back to bite them - when there is some high profile false positive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com