tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post2999783446663621863..comments2023-10-25T07:19:08.019-05:00Comments on The Nosy Gamer: Poe's Parting Shot On BottingNoizyGamerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-2191682669156352532013-09-22T05:32:58.318-05:002013-09-22T05:32:58.318-05:00Personally I don't care if people are botting ...Personally I don't care if people are botting for themselves or botting for RMT, they are ruining the game for other people. <br /><br />Reducing the price of minerals - therefore putting legit miners out of pocket<br />Reducing the price of lp items - therefore putting legit missioners out of pocket<br />Reducing the price of items on markets - therefore putting legit 0.01 isk marketers out of pocket.<br /><br />All these people should be beaten with sticks until they apologiseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-79532180341360048832013-09-21T20:10:59.327-05:002013-09-21T20:10:59.327-05:00@Dersen - Really? I find that hard to believe. T...@Dersen - Really? I find that hard to believe. That would be a huge departure from what CCP has stated.NoizyGamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-73642917312579218922013-09-19T09:59:20.851-05:002013-09-19T09:59:20.851-05:00They don't ban those, at least not immediately...They don't ban those, at least not immediately. They warn them. They also warn their alliance directors.<br /><br />I'm guessing that it's mostly older players who bot that way, just because CCP didn't care for so many years.Dersen Loweryhttp://www.structuredamage.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-19971240162709371002013-09-19T01:29:58.136-05:002013-09-19T01:29:58.136-05:00I think you overestimate the link botting and RMT....I think you overestimate the link botting and RMT. Sure, every RMT-er bot. But many, - and I'd dare to say most - botters don't RMT. <br /><br />I think the typical botter is a player who wants to play for free or wants himself a supercarrier or just wants to fund his PvP by mining without... mining.<br /><br />I have no doubt that CCP hunts and bans the RMT botfarms if they can. However I have a feeling that they are shy of banning Joe Nobody who runs one account only, play normally but runs a mining bot on his retriever alt every day an hour or two.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-60980207753324039752013-09-18T21:59:08.166-05:002013-09-18T21:59:08.166-05:00I can see a scenario where CCP would not take addi...I can see a scenario where CCP would not take additional steps against botters in order to not "anger a lot of players". Not because botters keep the mineral market in check or other such fairy tales, but simply because at some point anti-botter measures would catch more honest players in false positives than actual bots. The woe around cache scraping and its effects on EVE Market sites is a good example for this delicate problem.<br />Druur Monakhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07299435488090977357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-83886940582828655572013-09-18T19:01:34.324-05:002013-09-18T19:01:34.324-05:00Looks like I definitely need to write an article o...Looks like I definitely need to write an article on why this would be a very bad idea for a game company to do.NoizyGamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-18756632903368335002013-09-18T19:00:49.309-05:002013-09-18T19:00:49.309-05:00That's a really good question. Researchers ba...That's a really good question. Researchers back in the 2000-2006 era used to be able to get some fairly rough estimates because of eBay sales. We might get some idea if CCP releases how much in ISK and assets have been seized over the past 2 months plus the amount of ISK and assets on those permanently banned. <br /><br />I'll have to look into compiling more statistics to look into the subject. I have a couple of ideas.NoizyGamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-77408748510557656732013-09-18T16:46:37.257-05:002013-09-18T16:46:37.257-05:00CCP would only need to target accounts making big ...CCP would only need to target accounts making big money through botting to produce a graph like the one above. Rules lawyers, of course, would be quick to cry inconsistent enforcement and to call that unfair, but who cares? The rules lawyers *always* say that. CCP has a clear interest in not letting other entities undercut the price of ISK too much, and they can achieve that without nabbing 100% of the botters.<br /><br />And as you say, some botters are probably just doing the jobs the rest of us don't want to do, making valuable contributions to a healthy economy without getting conspicuously rich.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-58901580799556102622013-09-18T15:10:20.384-05:002013-09-18T15:10:20.384-05:00I just found out that you use bots to write your a...I just found out that you use bots to write your articles. You sick son-of-a.... ;)The Faustian Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15373341640230562233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-41186540262291436992013-09-18T11:20:41.944-05:002013-09-18T11:20:41.944-05:00What I would like to know what your best guess is ...What I would like to know what your best guess is regarding the monthly / annual volume of ISK sold to these RMT sites, collectively. How much ISK is sold to these RMT sites on a regular basis?<br /><br />I firmly believe the null sec cartels are heavily involved in it, because NO ONE goes to the effort and time they do to increase their ISK flows without some kind of real world benefit.<br /><br />So do you or anyone else, have a rough handle on what the worth is of the annual RMT market? I also believe that a good chunk of it never sees the light of day as cartel members can sell of plexes to other members, and exchange real cash outside of the game.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05509895151523038252noreply@blogger.com