tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post4962287549727855646..comments2023-10-25T07:19:08.019-05:00Comments on The Nosy Gamer: Data Wants To Be FreeNoizyGamerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-10333858375926465412014-01-13T14:10:59.809-06:002014-01-13T14:10:59.809-06:00Maybe they did stop releasing subscription numbers...Maybe they did stop releasing subscription numbers in 2012 because there was no growth to report. But maybe not. They also stopped releasing the Quarterly Economic Newsletters but the reason for that is they (Dr. E) just didn't want to be bothered with it anymore. He has consistently said for 2 years now that they would LIKE to give the players the raw New Eden economic numbers and let the players interpret it, chart it, graph it, etc. But as is so typical these last couple of years, the reality of what they do comes nowhere close to what they say they are going to do. Maybe they just decided that since no other MMO company releases their subscription numbers that they shouldn't either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-91097539547776694752014-01-12T20:14:59.481-06:002014-01-12T20:14:59.481-06:00I see where you are going with this. You are tryin...I see where you are going with this. You are trying to perpetrate the myth that CCP has combined the numbers for DUST and EVE that come from the EVE API just because CCP has done so for the display in DUST. The EVE API that Chribba uses is not part of the API system that DUST uses to get its numbers. I checked with Chribba to make sure that was the case. Also, the last I heard, the numbers displayed in DUST are larger than those displayed on the EVE log in page. I recall having to tell a DUST player that no, DUST wasn't more popular than EVE, its just that DUST displays the combined number and EVE doesn't.<br /><br />Of course, with that leading off your comment, I'm not really inclined to take the rest of your rant seriously. Especially since you have no information to back up your claims. But if you'd like to send me the sources for your information, I'd be curious to check it out.NoizyGamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-51473993437153060652014-01-12T02:53:23.648-06:002014-01-12T02:53:23.648-06:00lol... if you go back to your posts on DUST vs EVE...lol... if you go back to your posts on DUST vs EVE CCU numbers, you'll see how you once argued that the Chribba numbers were 100% accurate and supported your argument. Nice reversal. Let's talk reality now.<br /><br />CCP has been working hard to obfuscate the numbers, because the number of players has dropped consistently over the past several years. As older players added alt accounts and began to multi-box, the drop in player numbers was successfully masked by the subscription numbers.<br /><br />When DUST launched, CCP used the DUST sign-up numbers to boost their reported subscription numbers, and push them over 500K. Ofc, since DUST is F2P, DUST "subscriptions" never expire and remain part of the total subscriber count. This also helped to mask the drop in EVE player numbers and drops in EVE subscription numbers, at that time .<br /><br />Dual and multi-character training have pushed the subscription numbers way down, although it did increase revenue from PLEX. CCP, however, can't quantitatively justify a drop in subscription numbers by saying that PLEX revenue increased, without releasing a lot of data that they don't want to release (which would, among other things, show the bogus DUST subscription numbers).<br /><br />So, now let's look at concurrent user stats. Has the number of EVE players online each day dropped that much due to the lackluster recent expansions? No, not really. What screws up the recent graphs is the fact that the short-term interest in DUST has faded and the ADD FPS addicts have been moving on to other games. Needless to say, DUST hasn't been attracting a lot of new interest, either. And, unlike EVE, you aren't going to see veteran DUST players adding alt accounts and multi-boxing... lol. Take DUST out of the picture and you'll see a gradual decrease, just like you'd expect with an aging game.<br /><br />So, what does this all really mean? Not much, except that you should not buy into marketing BS, just because they have clever numbers to supposedly back up their claims. Technical people are the easiest to fool since they believe that numbers are absolutes, but financial people who know "creative accounting" can tell you that you can create numbers to say whatever you want to say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-14322843868893156612014-01-12T01:49:33.380-06:002014-01-12T01:49:33.380-06:00Data want* to be free. The datum wants to be free...Data want* to be free. The datum wants to be free. Sorry for being pedantic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-23576837967337716432014-01-10T19:11:03.607-06:002014-01-10T19:11:03.607-06:00For the release of the subs, I could guess who you...For the release of the subs, I could guess who you're talking about. But who got fired for releasing turnout numbers for a CSM election?NoizyGamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-69418584174167898952014-01-10T14:42:31.846-06:002014-01-10T14:42:31.846-06:00I'm pretty certain we won't receive electi...I'm pretty certain we won't receive election's voter turn out for the CSM going forward, because they need to release total number of votes, and (turn out value) + (total votes number) -> known number of active subscriptions. In fact, it is not out of the realm of possibility someone was fired the last time they announced turn out values.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com