tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post5273302705463123644..comments2023-10-25T07:19:08.019-05:00Comments on The Nosy Gamer: The Trend Against Multiboxing SoftwareNoizyGamerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-22921664443154431372014-06-30T11:34:14.697-05:002014-06-30T11:34:14.697-05:00My point is that it's become too good when I a...My point is that it's become too good when I am better off adding 6 alts than 6 real people. Just seems antisocial and unhealthy for the game - after all do we want a game where to be on the level playing field you need to pay for 7 accounts?Stabshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08716211705647213383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-20844133709735481742014-06-27T15:10:16.578-05:002014-06-27T15:10:16.578-05:00What -is- your point, Stabs? That people who use i...What -is- your point, Stabs? That people who use isboxer are more effective than those who can't/don't? That people who can afford to have 10 accounts have an advantage over those with only 1 (or 2)? Are you saying multiboxing is good for EvE simply because it generates more money for CCP?Heretic Caldarihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03015635188565858672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-25583992754886932182014-06-27T09:11:29.091-05:002014-06-27T09:11:29.091-05:00I have 10 boxxed eve without isboxer if u need sof...I have 10 boxxed eve without isboxer if u need software to run all your boxes I say good riddance. Ur not much better then a bot. Hell u pry afk rat in null so u are botting without botting. If u can't multibox without software ur cheating. I got a demo of isboxer once because I heard its great for multibox. I got rid of it a week later assuming it would be ban worthy by now. Its cheating. It gives u a huge advantage......whatever ccp dev dont believe me can give me 20 ruptures and isboxxer and watch the perfect arty strikes come in from 1 push of f1.....nah no advantage giving there.......Fire Bushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16302444339498102886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-61152100743160135542014-06-27T09:04:37.588-05:002014-06-27T09:04:37.588-05:00I agree as I state below multiboxing isn't the...I agree as I state below multiboxing isn't the problem the software is. I saw a guy bragging about flying his 45 Tristans at the same time. Of like to seem him do it without isboxerFire Bushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16302444339498102886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-23919297209782573462014-06-27T08:59:56.204-05:002014-06-27T08:59:56.204-05:00As someone who's multiboxed since uo I have al...As someone who's multiboxed since uo I have always felt that things like isboxer is cheating. Anything that broadcasts multiple keystrokes should be considered cheating imo. Just cuz it multiboxing doesn't mean u should be able to have commands copied to 10 clients. Isboxer is a slap in the face to people that play by the rules imo and its a base for many many bots. Using synergy to use multiple pcs is one thing but when u start sending a keystroke to multiple clients at the same time ur cheating simple as that. Multiboxing was never a problem software like isboxer isFire Bushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16302444339498102886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-27053013125670374072014-06-27T07:08:38.850-05:002014-06-27T07:08:38.850-05:00Star Trek Online has an in-built security against ...Star Trek Online has an in-built security against software multiboxing. You can't start a second client while one is already running on the comp. I'm sure there's a way to circumvent it (someone will always find a workaround to such "problems"), but I have no idea about that (and honestly don't care).Thfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02060467216124510176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-63803852403854132662014-06-26T20:09:06.157-05:002014-06-26T20:09:06.157-05:00At the end of the day Eve is intended as a multipl...At the end of the day Eve is intended as a multiple player game. Thwarting that aim using isboxer, negiating the risk inherant needing to trust other players. <br />That stated, isboxer has been permitted by CCP. But that never seems to be the end for any discussion. From my own prospective wading through the sewage of forums - most of the voices which oppose isboxer mining' don't mine. Their efforts in this issue and others does not seem to stem from a concern about the health of the game; but rather is just another avenue for tear extraction. Easy Eskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17882509080454825895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-45793914754401215842014-06-26T18:19:23.063-05:002014-06-26T18:19:23.063-05:00"This alliance has 11000 people. "
This..."This alliance has 11000 people. "<br /><br />This should say pilots rather than people.Stabshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08716211705647213383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-16668129769543274652014-06-26T18:18:29.521-05:002014-06-26T18:18:29.521-05:00Oh and just to back my point up with some research...Oh and just to back my point up with some research: <br /><br />Here's the top 10 Goon pilots. This alliance has 11000 people. The current top 6 and number 8 best pilots on their killboards are Oodell's isboxing bomber squad.<br />http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=3799&view=pilot_kills&m=06&y=2014<br /><br />Here's a newer isboxer, Pasta's wheniaminspace's alt. Since he made it in January he's done 110 billion isk of damage with it at 99.45% efficiency.<br />http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1944392<br /><br />Both of these records are way better than what most people are capable of who don't use isboxer.Stabshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08716211705647213383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-51025640801876559292014-06-26T18:03:50.350-05:002014-06-26T18:03:50.350-05:00The thing with Eve is it's an emergent sandbox...The thing with Eve is it's an emergent sandbox game where the boundaries are continually being pushed back by players. This means the ethics of multiboxing may change over time, as players find new and innovative ways to gain advantage.<br /><br />Let's do some goalsetting. What is the purpose of running Eve? To make money? To create an awesome experience? To support as many different playstyles as possible? It's a little of each and isboxer both enhances and detracts from these objectives.<br /><br />In nullsec multiboxed bomber fleets are amazingly strong. To bomb someone you need a perch, usually gained with a cov ops, then a squad or more of bombers to simultaneously decloak. align correctly launch and warp off. The more asynchronous the operation the less effective it is. With duplicated keystrokes you get a bombing run miles better than a group of 7 players can achieve. It is always superior to do this gameplay with alts rather than people.<br /><br />But at the same time for the guys who play this it's superb exciting powerful gameplay for which they pay 7 accounts worth of subs per month - they are significant consumers.<br /><br />It also probably doesn't detract much from other people's gameplay - they're just a hazard of nullsec but if we die to them it was our mistake, not something people feel is unplayably broken.<br /><br />But that could change. If new sov mechanics force more ship presence in space multiboxed bombers become more powerful as the environment becomes richer in targets. At that stage maybe there could be a scenario where whole alliances couldn't hold sov if one multiboxer decided to target them.Stabshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08716211705647213383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-78689159375860679552014-06-26T13:59:54.203-05:002014-06-26T13:59:54.203-05:00I fully concurI fully concurKnug Lidihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08168621175894976018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-41794087309902335272014-06-26T13:58:44.133-05:002014-06-26T13:58:44.133-05:00I have multiboxed, by running up to 3 clients on o...I have multiboxed, by running up to 3 clients on one machine. However, I flip to each client and perform commands therein.<br /><br />I have mined this way, and done other activities where one of the clients was an off-grid fleet booster.<br /><br />The argument that the loss of ISBOXER will end multi-boxing is erroneous. Also, the loss of the fleet boxing, one-click multi client response using players isn't a loss.Knug Lidihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08168621175894976018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-74594711690670729272014-06-26T12:15:42.064-05:002014-06-26T12:15:42.064-05:00You don't need any 3rd party software to multi...You don't need any 3rd party software to multibox EQ2 for the reason I and many others used to do it - powerleveling your lower characters with your higher characters. With the /follow command and chrono-mentoring one mentored-down high-level character could run around with five lower levels trailing him like ducklings.<br /><br />When EQ2 became F2P I did plenty of that using one Gold and four or five Silver accounts. I could easily run three or four iterations of EQ2 on the same PC plus a couple more on a laptop. I used instanced dungeons so I wasn't getting in anyone's way. Leveling was very fast and a lot of fun, although you ended up with a lot of level 50 characters with level 10 skills and gear...<br /><br />A while back, however, SOE made a change that means characters in a group who don't contribute (healing or DPS) get only minimal XP. It's therefore still just as possible to multibox without using 3rd party apps but there's no longer much point doing it. <br /><br />My guess is this change was made because, while it was good for SOE for players to multibox when they needed to maintain multiple subscriptions to do so it became a lot less good when players could make endless free accounts and take up bandwith and resources to no financial benefit.Bhagpusshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03499162165023939880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-55833929823415310602014-06-26T12:09:03.452-05:002014-06-26T12:09:03.452-05:00I have no problem with banning multiboxing softwar...I have no problem with banning multiboxing software. It absolutely does provide an advantage to be able to issue one command and have all 10 accounts react instantly. I've heard of someone who runs VG Incursion sites solo because he can command all 10 of his accounts at the same time. I have multiple accounts and I often have both logged in at the same time, sometimes even in the same system doing the same activity. But I don't have multiboxing software. I go old fashioned alt-tabbing to issue commands.<br /><br />And that's how it should be, in my opinion.Heretic Caldarihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03015635188565858672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-12957618005397073612014-06-26T10:41:08.772-05:002014-06-26T10:41:08.772-05:00CCP has to allow multi-boxing. Can you imagine the...CCP has to allow multi-boxing. Can you imagine the impact to subs if they banned Isoboxer? At any given time, I can see at least one, sometimes up to 3, Isobox fleets in the Incursion system I am in. Further, how many of these F1 monkeys in null sec are Isoboxed Domi's?<br /><br />CCP knows that the sub base is shrinking mightily in breadth, and their only hope to stem the tide until their "saviour" Valkyrie is ready. That means allowing as many hard core players to have as many accounts as possible. (note all the marketing drives involving Power of 2). The natural extension of having many accounts is using them at one time, which means IsoBoxer.<br /><br />It is one thing to ban Isoboxer when your subscription base numbers in the millions as with WoW. It is quite another when it is entirely possible that the entire TQ subscription base is less than 100,000 actual people.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05509895151523038252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-17234755352155408932014-06-26T09:40:35.492-05:002014-06-26T09:40:35.492-05:00There is a long standing current against multi-box...There is a long standing current against multi-boxing in the MMORPG community. There was a time when you didn't have to go far in the EverQuest forums before you found somebody railing against multi-boxing as the thing that lead to the demise of EQ.<br /><br />When the nostalgia focused Fippy Darkpaw progression server was put up, those emotions flamed up into life again.<br /><br />While there is some old bias against multi-boxing from the days of MUDs, when it was sometimes a bannable offense, the general working theory is that by multi-boxing you are denying somebody a spot in your group. Basically, low paid boxing software is stealing our jobs. Also, social!<br /><br />The devs themselves have been ambivalent. Another account is more money with a subscription game, and at least potentially more money with F2P.<br /><br />Of course, SOE sort of punted on this by introducing mercenaries, so you can just hire a half decent healer or DPS... or a crappy tank... and ignore other players all you want now.Wilhelm Arcturushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07033496821708933394noreply@blogger.com