tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post5703291847710301278..comments2023-10-25T07:19:08.019-05:00Comments on The Nosy Gamer: How Many Subscriptions Does EVE Online Have In 2015?NoizyGamerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-55023428310535041712015-04-09T02:23:01.669-05:002015-04-09T02:23:01.669-05:00Last official number I heard (2013?) was around 1....Last official number I heard (2013?) was around 1.3 accounter per player. 2.3 is way to high if you calculate in how many highsec people just do missions or mine with there one account.l0rd carlosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-38380922921535088572015-04-06T09:30:58.443-05:002015-04-06T09:30:58.443-05:00I missed this earlier. But the reason I took the h...I missed this earlier. But the reason I took the high number is that the Chinese cannot vote for the CSM. The low estimate included all subscriptions, both Tranquility and Serenity.NoizyGamerhttp://nosygamer.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-87837647125831748332015-04-02T07:16:21.011-05:002015-04-02T07:16:21.011-05:00he was told "paid subs is 146k" (non ple...he was told "paid subs is 146k" (non plex ?)<br /><br />source: http://www.twitch.tv/everadiolive/b/641892431 (at the 2hr and 14 min mark)Freelancer117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-57984949747240260092015-04-02T04:30:29.873-05:002015-04-02T04:30:29.873-05:00I believe my math is good, but it is still based o...I believe my math is good, but it is still based on Ripard Teg's supposed 8,2% high turnout number in 2014.<br /><br />He even mentioned it: "I've chosen to go with the higher turnout number"<br />source: http://jestertrek.blogspot.nl/2014/05/csm-election-results.html<br /><br />The Miitani had another conclusion about voter turnout:<br />"Given how poor a job CCP did with getting the CSM8 minutes out the door, my personal take on this election is that turnout will be at an all-time low."<br />source: http://www.themittani.com/news/gsf-ceo-update-tri-harder<br /><br />Remember when CCP Dolan answered my question; "where are the minutes ?"<br />source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=295598<br /><br />So the 8,2% voter turnout number could be way to high, and we are basing the math on a wrong assumption.<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rr88Szc5q0<br /><br />In 2014 subscribers were not running to the voting booths: "A total of 937 votes were cast to determine the new (dust514 cpm1) council"<br />source: http://dust514.com/news/2014/07/cpm1-election-results/<br /><br />It's even hard to draw a conclusion about high the account numbers are based on log ins, due to capsuleers playing skill training online, etc. <br />http://i.imgur.com/XNEZczR.png<br />http://i.imgur.com/rupDLyQ.png<br /><br /><br /><br />What ever the current number is for total subscribers and alt avg per person, we can better look at how CCPgames behaves. And atm it's mostly about getting former capsuleers back into the game.<br /><br /><br />Regards, a Freelancer<br /><br /><br />PS: that reminds me to ask, is CCPgames actively pursuing a reduction in avg alts per person, or should we wait for fozzie sov to answer that question ?Freelancer117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-49668726611753218182015-04-01T21:09:11.879-05:002015-04-01T21:09:11.879-05:00Your math is wrong because you should not be inclu...Your math is wrong because you should not be including the 15% increase in raw numbers.NoizyGamerhttp://nosygamer.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-36412797593738267752015-04-01T13:37:17.253-05:002015-04-01T13:37:17.253-05:00I copied another graph about accounts vs players d...I copied another graph about accounts vs players during fanfest: http://i.imgur.com/q1GK5Hk.jpgFreelancer117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-25351305314712574272015-04-01T09:24:49.763-05:002015-04-01T09:24:49.763-05:00I do not doubt what you have heard, you believe is...I do not doubt what you have heard, you believe is true.<br /><br />I hear lost of stuff everyday to, even the newspapers tell me stuff that's supposedly true.<br /><br />But with giving the source of the information it is easier to fact check or compare other interpretations or ask follow through questions.<br /><br /><br /><br />Regards, a FreelancerFreelancer117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-73092347569693903492015-04-01T09:17:29.189-05:002015-04-01T09:17:29.189-05:00The number of tranquility subscriptions vs actual ...The number of tranquility subscriptions vs actual number of subscribers (persons) is a metric we hardly have seen by CCPgames.<br /><br />Only recently we got a glimpse: http://i.imgur.com/z46djhq.jpg<br /><br />The best way to get reliable numbers on that is to do representative survey on reddit, eve forums etc, and then do a statistical analysis.<br /><br /><br />source:<br />http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility<br />http://i.imgur.com/3OilkS2.png<br />http://www.themittani.com/sites/default/files/Retribution%20to%20Kronos_0.png<br /><br /><br /><br />PS: the avg accounts per person could be higher<br />supposed 392.200 accounts / 146.000 subscribers = ~ 2,69Freelancer117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-20473713966821227642015-04-01T01:52:47.880-05:002015-04-01T01:52:47.880-05:00Oh come on. Financially speaking, 2011 was CCP'...Oh come on. Financially speaking, 2011 was CCP's best year by a long stretch. And 2014 the worst ever with the derecognition of WoD.<br /><br />As for how well is doing EVE... picture a bonfire that's been burning for long... most logs already burned and what's left are just embers... then someone pours gasoline on the bonfire and it burns better than ever.<br /><br />I stand by Ripard Teg's words last year: CCP Seagull is trying to pull a last run to the fences, but she won't succeed. <br /><br />It's not enough, and it's too late. And as usual CCP ignores the elephant in the room, the people who never paid CCP to play pew pew online and who are, by every known measure, a number high enough to kill CCP on the spot if they stopped paying.Bill Bonesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-23604267285117669282015-03-31T22:33:40.253-05:002015-03-31T22:33:40.253-05:00I don't know that it matters so much. Dust has...I don't know that it matters so much. Dust has supposedly finally turned a profit after 2 years. Tranquillity continues hovering around 300k, and Serenity around 150k. Valkyrie is currently a hole in their portfolio but I see no reason to think they won't recoup the tiny, comparatively speaking, game development cost they've tossed into it within a month or less of it going live unless something comes out of nowhere to steal it's thunder. And finally, they've got some interesting alternative revenue streams with physical goods that they've been trickling out slowly but regularly over the last year.<br /><br />CCP is doing well right now, probably the best they've ever done. The Eve IP is doing well, probably the best it's ever done. I think we're going to pass a point in the next few years where flat subscription numbers don't matter as much as they used to.Halyconnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-54040477092366492132015-03-31T19:50:12.483-05:002015-03-31T19:50:12.483-05:00Okay. Someone trying to tell you 146K subscription...Okay. Someone trying to tell you 146K subscriptions.NoizyGamerhttp://nosygamer.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-18861462822752024612015-03-31T19:24:57.997-05:002015-03-31T19:24:57.997-05:00What they can't fudge or obfuscate is revenue....What they can't fudge or obfuscate is revenue. Cash flow ultimately is all that matters. So we should know in a matter of weeks what kind of situation CCP is in. The one change that people seem to be missing is the mass exodus that started when high sec industry was gutted for the benefit of the null sec cartels.Viince_Snettertonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-518607281286048402015-03-31T16:43:14.282-05:002015-03-31T16:43:14.282-05:00It was presented to me, word for word, as "14...It was presented to me, word for word, as "146k paying subs". Now, is that "real people", is it "pre-paid" accounts using paypal or CC's or is it just a plain lie? Who knows except CCP!Shadownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-85618097126391771342015-03-31T16:38:36.504-05:002015-03-31T16:38:36.504-05:00@nosy http://legacyeve.blogspot.com/2015/03/the-ev...@nosy http://legacyeve.blogspot.com/2015/03/the-eve-subscriber-lost-in-space.htmlShadownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-18115092751109701702015-03-31T16:36:19.955-05:002015-03-31T16:36:19.955-05:00Given Shadow's track record, he could have bee...Given Shadow's track record, he could have been given the scoop everyone's dreamed of and managed to screw it up. But that's not what he said.NoizyGamerhttp://nosygamer.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-41064245309156075052015-03-31T15:38:56.793-05:002015-03-31T15:38:56.793-05:00How about 146,000 subscribers (people) paying up t...How about 146,000 subscribers (people) paying up to 342,000 susbcriptions (accounts)? An average of 2.34 accounts per player sounds pretty sensible to me.Bill Bonesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-37532320263522741312015-03-31T12:52:49.312-05:002015-03-31T12:52:49.312-05:00Stop saying things that make sense and just admit ...Stop saying things that make sense and just admit that eve is dying. Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated!Dan Hammondnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-15625132824694387672015-03-31T12:40:48.022-05:002015-03-31T12:40:48.022-05:00This certainly matters for CCPs wallet, but I'...This certainly matters for CCPs wallet, but I'm wondering how much effect this is actually having on our experience in space. I think a bunch of cyno alts have gotten unsubed since Phobe and I'm sure some IS boxer trash has left the game. I'm sure there are capital alts that are currently unsubed waiting to see what happens with caps. As a player I don't see the cyno alts or the IS toons as a loss. I wasn't getting any content from them anyway. Hopefully the sov changes will be good and caps will find a fun and useful role, and we will see subs rise, but I don't think that much of the loss that we've seen over the last year has been a bad thing for actual game play.Patchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-62379447023698027642015-03-31T11:02:24.984-05:002015-03-31T11:02:24.984-05:00Well, based on the 2013 financial statement CCP &q...Well, based on the 2013 financial statement CCP "ended the year with over 500,000 subscribers." Those statements were signed off on 14 March, so I would expect we should be seeing the 2014 edition fairly soon. Since CCP isn't a public company it will be interesting to see how they choose to word it this time around, if they even do. If I recall, the interim statement as of June 2014 was rather vague in that regard. It would be so much better for them to be transparent. We all know the numbers are down. Let's see how they handle it. The more vague they are, the more prone they become to wild speculation.Dirk MacGirknoreply@blogger.com