tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post6972814563250707815..comments2023-10-25T07:19:08.019-05:00Comments on The Nosy Gamer: The CSM And You: A Focus Group On SteroidsNoizyGamerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-62853343789350850912014-03-05T18:47:39.724-06:002014-03-05T18:47:39.724-06:00While I think Dinsdale is a *weeee* bit paranoid t...While I think Dinsdale is a *weeee* bit paranoid there, it is a fact that there doesn't seem to be decent HS representation in there. Well Mang, but while I really do believe he deserves to be there, he's not quite the ordinary HS memberLouis Robichaudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02426040562395622140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-44760370942278564542014-03-05T17:49:38.089-06:002014-03-05T17:49:38.089-06:00@Dinsdale - You wrote: "So there is a good be...@Dinsdale - You wrote: "So there is a good bet I will not vote this year, because voting is a pointless as not voting, from the high sec perspective. Are you going to suggest that I am not a long term player emotionally invested in the game?"<br /><br />And in the post I wrote: "I think that is why a number of players want the option to vote, but abstain. They are attached to the game and wish to demonstrate that fact."<br /><br />And I think it is a bit too early to give up on high sec candidates stepping forward. Dolan hasn't even posted the official dev blog spelling out the rules and timelines yet.<br />NoizyGamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315716516032999133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-85661533098593986942014-03-05T16:39:12.369-06:002014-03-05T16:39:12.369-06:00TurAmarth ElRandir.. very well written and totally...TurAmarth ElRandir.. very well written and totally agree with you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-23081271733592648932014-03-05T15:22:48.317-06:002014-03-05T15:22:48.317-06:00Thank you for voicing what most of us feel Tur, I ...Thank you for voicing what most of us feel Tur, I tend to just skim Dim's posts looking for those keywords and then just skip them. I agree with you in that the CSM is sort of a combination between a Lobby/Focus group, they are intended to be a sounding board for CCP but they are also there to push the agenda of the parts of New Eden they are most familiar with. Though the word lobby does have a slight negative connotation to it. ((At least here in the US, our political system is just mess... sigh)) Erun Talanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11152707972750406739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-51938098437574829942014-03-05T14:13:28.999-06:002014-03-05T14:13:28.999-06:00Gods I despair… I swear I do. The amount of negat...Gods I despair… I swear I do. The amount of negative vitriol spewed out by so many players towards CCP simply amazes and disgusts me…<br /><br />The CSM is, IMHO, a Player Lobby Group more than a focus group. They don’t make policy or guide anything granted but they also don't 'just' test concepts and answer surveys… they actually have a voice at the table, granted a minor one but still, they do have a voice in the discussion.<br /><br />And if you don’t like what they are saying… then get off yer ass and DO something about it… run for a seat, get involved… TRY to make things better… or, is that too hard? It is, of course, far easier to sit at home and spew vitriol all over the screen than to get off yer ass and DO something positive… isn’t it?<br /><br />I have nothing but respect for those people who are investing so much of their time and effort to work WITH CCP and try and make EvE a better game… remember, the ones who make a difference are the ones who SHOW UP… not the ones crying on the sidelines.<br /><br />Don’t like the sandbox? Work for change.<br /><br />Dim & Anon. … If you are so effing unhappy QUIT! If CCP is that terribad WHY ARE YOU HERE? Why do you care?? I mean it… seriously Why?? CCP created EVE Online… without them, the men & women, executives, devs and office personnel of CCP… these people who had the vision and desire and ability, we would not have this game to play… it’s like being pissed at your parents for having YOU.<br /><br />CCP is not a suck-fail-beached-whale company… I’d like to see any of you develop or code a better game. I personally am DAMN glad they got together and have worked as hard and as long as they have to give us this wonderful game… Yes, as time goes on the game needs to be updated and additional sand needs be thrown into the box… and they aren’t gonna please everyone, but dammit, if you don’t feel they have done something really amazing here then please just quit.<br /><br />Dim, almost every post you write has, at its core, just how deeply disappointed you are… then why stay? If it sucks SOOO bad, why oh why do you care? Mebbe because you are emotionally invested in the game? If so, then PLEASE give options and suggestions on how to fix it instead of whining and moaning about CCP being all in Gewns pockets and :sociopaths: and :cartels: and :RMT:… it’s boring man… it’s really boring and it helps not one bit.Turamarth Elrandirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08129383421613323047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-7255889894379467952014-03-05T14:03:21.914-06:002014-03-05T14:03:21.914-06:00Meanwhile, I have to agree with Jean-Mira. If you...Meanwhile, I have to agree with Jean-Mira. If you're complaining that the CSM is being dominated by a small, loud minority of players, it's your own damned fault for not finding people to counteract the special interests. Somehow, people managed to elect a high-sec mission runner who writes his blog in-character last time around. Why can't you get more people like that elected? The one advantage that the null blocs have is that they're *organized* and the debacle that was TEST Alliance's voting last year shows that not even all of the nullbloc powers can get their shit together either.Ranamarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-24191829253475137802014-03-05T12:03:43.136-06:002014-03-05T12:03:43.136-06:00A really good article describing what the CSM does...A really good article describing what the CSM does. Pity that Dinsdale "conspiracy" Pirannha has such a negative first comment that it puts me off promoting the article.<br /><br />By the way despite what has been said here, not voting because you'll never get representation is the worst thing you can do - and is actually playing into the hands of the larger in-game groups that can organise their support.Fade Toblackhttp://www.the20minuters.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-62324139262175489772014-03-05T11:02:00.023-06:002014-03-05T11:02:00.023-06:00"You are defining it too generally. It is a f..."You are defining it too generally. It is a focus group, yes, but it is made up of primarily null sec cartel members..."<br /><br />No. The definition is fine. You don't complain about the definition, but the composition. And that is completely up to us, the players. Also, with STV, it doesn't matter how organized a group is. The only determining factor is whether people care enough to vote.<br /><br />There is no one but ourselves to blame if we are not represented enough. And yes, if you don't feel any candidate represents you, it's also up to you to change that by running yourself (else you would expect someone else to change something you are not willing to do yourself).Jean-Miranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-90792655751851042912014-03-05T10:03:01.560-06:002014-03-05T10:03:01.560-06:00I have to agree with pirannha, the CSM doesn't...I have to agree with pirannha, the CSM doesn't represent the players, it represents a small but loud, demanding, whiny minority (the null blocks).<br /><br />It's a special interest lobby group representing the null blocks' interests while actively opposing anything and everyone else.MoxNixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12407914481361718041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-15426368400367412032014-03-05T08:58:58.457-06:002014-03-05T08:58:58.457-06:00The problem is not with CSM, but with CCP. CCP is ...The problem is not with CSM, but with CCP. CCP is the beached whale, and CSM is a bunch of random people who try to push it back into the sea(The sea represents Goodness and the land Badness in this alegory).<br /><br />Sadly, without a big crane, there's only this much they can do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-942059813481083566.post-7066517428616597982014-03-05T08:32:31.675-06:002014-03-05T08:32:31.675-06:00You are defining it too generally. It is a focus g...You are defining it too generally. It is a focus group, yes, but it is made up of primarily null sec cartel members whose sole goal is to enhance their playstyle and income streams at the expense of all other groups.<br /><br />And I know of a number of players who are heavily emotionally invested in the game who will never be represented, because the high sec group of the game is not nearly organized enough to corral the votes needed to get their proper representation on the CSM.<br /><br />I voted for 2 candidates last year, and was deeply disappointed in their performance. So far, from what I have seen this year's slate, I see no one jumping out as someone who will honestly represent the high sec player. Not that I blame anyone who does not want to run against a bunch of sociopaths representing the cartels. So there is a good bet I will not vote this year, because voting is a pointless as not voting, from the high sec perspective. Are you going to suggest that I am not a long term player emotionally invested in the game?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05509895151523038252noreply@blogger.com